Design Anatomy
Welcome to Design Anatomy, where we examine the world of interiors and design. With a shared passion for joyful, colour-filled, and lived-in spaces, Bree Banfield and Lauren Li are excited to share their insights and inspiration with you.
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Design Anatomy
Rugs, Lighting & Reality Checks: The Design Details That Matter
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Your place can have great bones, beautiful light, cool vintage pieces, and still feel oddly unfinished. That gap between inspiration and reality is where so many people get stuck, and it is exactly what Lauren tackles solo while Bree is off travelling and living her best design life. We talk about the real reasons people book interior design consultations, and why it is rarely about “just picking a sofa” and almost always about getting the home to feel calm, cohesive, and emotionally right.
We break down five repeat problems that show up in homes across Australia and beyond: rooms that feel flat even when they are “done”, decision fatigue from too many options online, awkward architecture that makes zones feel like hallways, and the constant push-pull between aesthetic dreams and practical reality. Lauren shares the fixes that actually move the needle, like adding curtains to soften acoustics and privacy, anchoring spaces with the right rug, turning off harsh downlights, and using layered lighting to create warmth at night. We also get honest about renovation sequencing, material choices, durability, and the compliance surprises that can burst the mood board bubble.
The deepest thread is atmosphere. Beyond the visuals, we explore how scale, shadow, textiles, scent, sound, and personal objects build a home that feels like you, not a showroom. If you have ever second-guessed a paint colour, delayed a rug purchase, or felt overwhelmed by Pinterest, this one will give you a clearer plan and a bit of permission.
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Welcome And Milan Announcements
SPEAKER_00Welcome back to Design Anatomy. It is Lauren here today flying solo because Brie is currently traveling, probably somewhere fabulous, looking gorgeous as always, ordering a tiny coffee and probably looking at some expensive chair. So today I want to talk to you about something that's come up again and again in my design consultations lately because after speaking to so many people about their homes, I've realized something quite interesting. But before I go on, I just want to announce that Brie and I are really pumped and excited to be sharing all of the good things we saw in Milan. We are taking our Milan in Review event on the road this year. We are holding an event at Harley Rugs. They are hosting us, which is so cool and generous of them. We cannot wait because their rugs are divine and their showroom is gorgeous. And they're just cool people. We are hosting an event in Melbourne at the Harley Showroom and an event in Sydney. So if you want to get some information, you can send us a DM. And there is a link in the bio on the Instagram for Design Anatomy and on my Instagram, and I dare say Brie will put it up there as well in the link in the bio. We will be promoting it on Instagram and if you are on our mailing list as well. Last year we held this event and we had almost 80 people come. We were so chuffed. And you can't get us to shut up about it. We can talk about all of the gorgeous uh colour materials that were really, you know, popping, I guess, shapes, and just the overall sort of themes that we saw in Milan. So if you're an interior designer or an interior design enthusiast, come. It'll be so great. And whilst we're talking about Milan, we are going to be releasing tickets for the 2027 Design Anatomy Tour. So if you are down for six days of intense furniture, food, meeting amazing people, and also in the tour and the people we meet along the way, it's like I hate to say it because it sounds so flipping, but it's kind of life-changing. It's absolutely magic, this tour. So we are only keeping our group small. We only have eight people on the tour. We love to have interior designers or design enthusiasts as well on the tour, but I will let you know, we go hard. You gotta be able to look at a lot of furniture.
Why Homes Feel Unfinished
SPEAKER_00So now what I want to talk to about today is the five main reasons that people reach out to me about helping with their home. And it's probably not what you think because I think people will hire an interior designer because they think they need help choosing a new sofa or something, but that's almost never the real problem. What I find is what they're struggling with is something a bit m a bit harder to articulate. It's usually that their home just doesn't feel finished or calm or cohesive or just emotionally right where they want it to feel. And it's funny because sometimes these homes are already beautiful, like great bones. They'll have natural light, they might already have lovely furniture, and they have saved the Pinterest images and collected the vintage pieces. They know what they don't like, but somewhere between inspiration and reality is where they get stuck. And I think that is one of the problems that defines modern homes. We have never had more inspiration, have we? Like we've seen thousands of kitchens, rugs, paint colours, perfectly styled homes online. I think that sometimes instead of making people more confident, it might make them feel paralyzed because the decision is just uh, what do they call it? Decision fatigue. Too many things. What if I choose the wrong rug? What if the paint colour feels too bold? Or what if I spend all this money and it still doesn't feel right? That that really sucks. So, what I've realized is that most clients don't necessarily need more inspiration. They need the permission, they need the editing and someone to say, yes, that instinct you have, you should trust it. So, in today's episode, I want to share the five biggest things that people consistently get stuck on in their homes. Awkward layouts, rooms that feel just emotionally flat, and the most surprising thing that every modern apartment seems to be missing. And homes for that matter, too. So let me share some stories about some consultations that I've had, and maybe that will help you with your home. Or if you're an interior designer, maybe it might help you sort of reframe the way that you consider offering consultations in your business. I have just found this so fun. I've met people from all around Australia and overseas. So, all right.
Cohesion Without Buying More
SPEAKER_00The first one is how do I make this home feel more finished and cohesive? I think that's the biggest one. People will often already own some good furniture, a few interesting vintage pieces, some cool artwork, and the architecture could be beautiful on its own. But the room still feels echoey, cold, disconnected, and just flat, and it just doesn't feel like them. It doesn't feel like them. They struggle with how to sort of layer things and the scale to find the right size. Often zones aren't defined. They want to add softness. And you know what's funny? The solution is almost never just buy more stuff. It's usually a little bit of that, such as maybe add curtains. Huge one, huge one. And I understand why you would want to put that off because it is a big purchase, but it is so impactful, and you will never regret it. Rugs, people are also a little afraid to spend on rugs because it is a big investment piece as well, and the options are huge. It's lighting. Um, I should see if I can find an email from a gorgeous uh client that I did a consultation. I did a couple of consultations with her actually. She signed off the email. She said, she said, Oh, you'll be so glad to know. I haven't turned my down lights on once since we met. So that was super cute. My work is done. Um, they usually need to include artwork or they want to be able to mix different textures. They want to figure out the heights of things, how to bring a bit of height into the space when everything feels low. And actually, this reminds me of this gorgeous client who I met virtually in a consultation. She is in Switzerland. I have never had a design consultation in Switzerland before, and it was so much fun. This client already had incredible windows, beautiful timber floors, and she had some really cool vintage furniture, but the apartment still felt unfinished because there was, well, there was no curtains and there was no rug, too much visual lowness, like it wasn't balanced radially, like all around. Everything was obviously on the floor, but it was very low and it was too much hard surface. So my advice was about creating that atmosphere, and it wasn't about replacing everything, it was really just enhancing what she already had.
Decision Fatigue And Permission
SPEAKER_00So, number two is I don't know how to make decisions without making a big mistake. Huge. That one's huge. People become paralyzed because every decision feels expensive, really permanent, and risky, especially around paint colours, rugs, kitchens, uh, bathrooms for that matter, and lighting and layouts. And most people are just terrified of choosing the wrong thing or spending their money badly, committing too early. So I had another consultation with a gorgeous um photographer, actually up in Sydney. She has great taste. She actually put together a really beautiful mood board before our meeting. So she had a clear aesthetic direction and she had great references. Like she photographs interiors a lot. So she's been in some great spaces. But she became overwhelmed because she was trying to narrow down the materials, the laminate colours, the layouts, and just how a project, you know, a renovation, you could how best to time it, how to sequence it. And she actually said to herself that things were becoming totally crazy, but also a little bit bold. So she didn't want to go over the top with all of the colour, but she didn't want a big white space as well. And the thing I talked to this photographer about, because she didn't need more inspiration, but she just needed permission and ideas on how to sequence her project and the reassurance. Like, yes, I think you could do this here. If you choose that colour there, the apartment will be able to hold that colour. It won't feel overwhelming, but you do need to balance it out by putting something over here as well. So it also I scribbled a little floor plan for her just to get her thinking about well, you know what? You could before you go and replace the floor, consider if you want to maybe move that wall or take that out. And but you you can't think of that after. You've got to have a bit of a plan up front. So we had a really great chat.
Fixing Awkward Architecture With Zones
SPEAKER_00Number three would be I don't know how to work with awkward architecture. It comes up constantly. People struggle with weird hallways, void sort of spaces, these long big walls, open plan rooms, strange corners, and oversized spaces or tiny spaces, and they don't know what the scale of furniture should be, where things should go, and how to define those zones. I have I actually find it really, really frustrating, this one, because I met with a client in Queensland, and they had this house custom built for them, for this lovely couple. They actually had an architect design it, and I'm just thinking, oh no, like this is not working. It does not, it's not conducive to living. It is an architectural statement. There are some, as I said, weird sort of weird sort of spaces and everything. Maybe it could look good in a photo. Oh, I don't know. So I I get that sense of frustration from clients. I couldn't believe it actually. So when it when we come up against something like that, so much can be resolved with furniture and lighting. So with this one, we had this dining table that felt like it was floating in the middle of the space because it sort of sat in a circulation zone. There was no rug, there was no pendant, and there was sort of no anchor. So obviously, we can't be changing the architecture. So we defined the zone visually by putting a rug underneath it, and we can look at some cost-effective rugs that are washable or like a kiln that is something that you can clean. And I have to say, this couple, they weren't in the toddler kind of era or the kids' era. So they were they were pretty good with considering a rug. It's not right under every table, but I really recommended that they would look at it because this space needed it. But more than that, it was bringing in some lighting over the table. So there was a staircase and a void over that space. It really needed some light to anchor that and create that beautiful dining zone that makes you want to stop and sit and enjoy the space. And it actually upsets me as well because they were just saying that it's really hard when they're entertaining because people don't feel like it's a place they can sit comfortably for a long time. People don't know where to be in the space. I don't know if you know what I mean, if you've ever had that experience. You want your guests to feel like they can sit and relax and not feel like they're in some weird hallway area.
Turning Aesthetic Ideas Into Reality
SPEAKER_00Okay, so number four is I know what I like visually, but I don't know how to make it practical. So that's another major theme because clients are constantly balancing that beauty versus practicality, aesthetics versus comfort, aspiration versus real life. I get it, because you want your home to look beautiful, but you also have to survive the children, the pets. It has to function for work, feel comfortable, and you've got to be able to store your stuff. So when I talked to this photographer, she loved the idea of a stainless steel bench. And we were we were talking about different laminates, different laminate brands for the joinery and how she could integrate the appliances. But the conversation quickly became about how to clean that stainless steel finish and the durability. Um, yeah, the costs of the laminates, this brand versus that brand, and those construction realities. Um, you know, if you want to get a flat pack kitchen, I think that is a great idea. But the reality is they come in these 60 by 60 centimeter sort of modules. And if your space isn't quite fitting that, then it can get a little tricky how to fill that space at the end. All of those little tiny things. Also, compliance. I mean, I have to, I have to sometimes burst the bubble. I'm like, I don't think you can have a European laundry here. You you cannot, you need to have a laundry trough, but I've got my kitchen sink there. I know, I know. But there's something about a hygiene thing. I think that's the reason. Um, food preparation versus um the chemicals and things for washing. Um I'm not exactly sure the reason, but you just do need to have a trough. And we can't make that compliant without a laundry trough. So if you want to put it in a cupboard or something like that, I don't know. And then it's the sequencing. We can't start with the floor if the footprint's gonna change. So sometimes that dream aesthetic needed uh a bit of translating into a buildable reality, and we talk about all of those things as well. And I give, I gave her a an action list, a bit of a hit list, do this, then do that, then find out this, and then you might need to research that, you know, that some of those compliance issues, you know, there was a few other things, and it does differ a little bit from state to state as well. I might not know all of the states, um, all the compliance, but I will at least flag that you need to find out if you need a drain here or something like that.
Atmosphere Through Light Textile And Mood
SPEAKER_00And then number five is I don't know how to create atmosphere, and I think that might be the deepest one underneath all of the others. I find people don't want a styled room, they want calm, softness, warmth, intimacy, their own personality in the space. But often the list focus on furniture, layout, objects when the real missing ingredients, if you ask me, I will I will not shut up about lighting. I I just feel like it is just impactful, so important in a space, especially at nighttime. And what goes with that is textiles. So if you have a big expanse of window at nighttime, you know how it just kind of is black? The window is just black and you see your own reflection. Lighting plus a textile or something as a window furnishing is so much more comforting and gives that warmth and softness in the evenings as well. Scale. I actually wrote a little story for the design files the other week about the biggest mistakes people make in apartment styling and it's scale, and it's really, really hard to know. I think the what you think in a small space is okay, I've got a small space. Let's buy a small sofa, a small rug, a small coffee table. I understand that sounds logical. However, you need to figure out the scale is right because sometimes you can fit a larger sofa in than what you think. Having lots of little bitsy pieces of furniture makes it feel disjointed and more cluttered. Whereas a three-seater sofa with a bit more scale to it and presence, it kind of can elongate a space. Also, scale in artwork. Having a huge, incredible big piece of art on the wall makes a space feel quite magical. And actually, um, my husband feels at the frame is now framing a huge big print that we bought from one of those Swedish ones. It's the the paper collection, the paper, the poster club, or one of them. Such cool artworks. They don't need to break the bank, but the bigger the better. It's just so impactful in a space or make your space just feel alive and create that atmosphere. So, which is the mood, which is the next one I wanted to mention. All of the above create that mood, artwork, lighting, textiles, music, um, scent. I mean, this is the thing. We see so much imagery, don't we? We can see limitless, limitless almost images of beautiful homes. But a great photographer will be able to capture a mood in a photograph. But there's so much more than the visual inner space, isn't there? There are all of those other things, the sounds, the sounds of the environment. If you're in the city, it can be the ding-ding of the tram or it can be the birds outside. We heard a frog outside before. How cool! That adds to the mood in my mind, the sound of a frog. But yeah, just the sounds of life outside, and add on to that, you know, music and um all of those good things. You know, scent could be a scented candle, but isn't the best kind of scent when something yummy is cooking in the oven? All of those things to me add to an atmosphere. There's softness, and I would say shadow as well. With light comes shadow. We want to highlight those uh spaces that we we need. Light, we might be reading, we might just want atmospheric light, but then there's light and dark as well, and it's the layering. I would also say it's adding something old. I think atmosphere, you can get instant atmosphere by going to an auction house or your local savers and finding some weird old stuff in there. That is just a shortcut to atmosphere in my mind. And when we went to these uh Paris and Milan and we go on these home tours, it's all of these unusual little objects, those personal little objects, a stack of books with some object on the top. I just, we were just all of us in the tour, the first place we went to was um the home belonging to Emma Donnesberg. If you're not following her on Instagram, she's a really talented interior designer and a furniture designer, and she has a gallery in Paris. The way she had collected objects displayed in her home, we were just so inspired. So I I love that. All right. So, you know, the funny thing about these consultations is sometimes the biggest transformation isn't about furniture. In the uh the lady I met from Switzerland, she was actually an opera singer. So cool. I get to meet the coolest, most loveliest people in these consultations. Um, the biggest transformation for that one was adding a sheer curtain. And I mean, I love a sheer curtain and they're not all created equal. You can pay $40, I don't know, $50, $60 a meter, you can pay $500 a meter for a fabric. Just do it. Just do it. It would absolutely, you know, change the acoustics of her room, create the privacy, filter the light, add a bit of movement in the space and reduce all those harsh, straight lines and create a more cocooning sort of feel. So uh I just feel like that was a no-brainer for me, but she sort of hadn't really thought of it, or she was too scared to kind of make that leap and actually go for it. Also, there is a big fear of getting it wrong because we are so overexposed to inspiration. Instead of empowering people, it creates that paralysis. So many of my clients that I meet, they know what they like, but they just don't trust themselves enough to commit. Sometimes I feel like I'm their hype, girl. I'm like, come on, let's do it. Oh my god, it will look so amazing. Like it's serious, and I because I really believe it because I've seen those transformations in my own projects over and over. So I sometimes I'm like, you knew, you knew what you needed to do. And I want them to feel empowered to trust their own instinct in that. And yes, people want their homes to feel like them, not showrooms. That's a big one too. So, you know, when I was talking to this lovely client in um the opera singer, it's I I I find it so fascinating. I want to hear about how people want to live. You know, she collects ceramics, she wants a little reading corner. She has been on the lookout for a Moroccan rug. So we can pull all of those ideas together because the most successful spaces emerge when the design responds to her rituals. You know, her schedule is a bit different because she's an opera singer. She's often working whilst all of her friends are together having dinner and she misses out on that. So, how what's her ritual look like? What does her morning look like? How can we kind of respond to that in the design? And I suggested a breakfast bar. She had the space for like an island, a kitchen island bench. So yeah, I think that's so much more. It's not just about aesthetics, it's about a design that responds to their own rituals, their personality. And I think that's what's so nice about these consultations. It's not just about decoration, but it's about trying to interpret how you live into some sort of atmospheric home that you absolutely love.
Events Tour And Final Takeaways
SPEAKER_00I think that I have talked so much by now. I just want to thank you so much for listening because it's wonderful when I meet you out in the wild and you say that you listen to the podcast. Brian and I have had so much fun yapping away together, and we really appreciate you listening. We also hover in the top 10 for design podcasts in Australia, and we have nearly had 30,000. Some downloads of our podcast. So fun. Okay, well, I think that's all for me. Thank you for listening again. Milan in Review is happening in Melbourne on Wednesday, June the 10th, and in Sydney on Wednesday, June the 24th. It's happening in the evening. We are so grateful to be working with Harley on this. I've been to some events at Harley Rugs. They know how to put on a really lovely evening. We love their collections as well. So we're super excited. So come and let's let's meet up in person and we are just going to be sharing all of the good things we saw at Milan Design Week. Over and out. Have a great week.
Country Acknowledgement
SPEAKER_00We've got the utmost respect for the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin Nation. They're the OG custodians of this unceded land and its waters, where we set up shop, create, and call home and come to you from this podcast today. A big shout out to all of the amazing elders who have walked before us, those leading the way in the present, and the emerging leaders who will carry the torch into the future. We're just lucky to be on this journey together.