Design Anatomy
Welcome to Design Anatomy, where we examine the world of interiors and design. With a shared passion for joyful, colour-filled, and lived-in spaces, Bree Banfield and Lauren Li are excited to share their insights and inspiration with you.
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Design Anatomy
Anatomy of a Room: What Makes a Room Amazing
Transform your living spaces into sanctuaries of style and emotion as we embark on a journey through the intricacies of interior design. Our conversation promises practical insights into how nostalgia, unique personal touches, and a blend of materials can evoke positive feelings and connections. We'll explore the power of balancing high and low elements, the charm of finishing touches, and how every space tells a story through items that reflect the inhabitants' personalities and histories.
Discover what truly makes a space amazing, as we share personal stories and memories that highlight the character of a room. From quirky decor to unexpected furniture choices, these elements bring a sense of nostalgia and wonder. You'll learn about the beauty found in spaces that surprise and resonate on a personal level, and how books and records add depth and soul to any room. We also discuss the benefits of incorporating natural materials and lighting that transform environments into welcoming havens.
By the end of this episode, you'll have a wealth of inspiration to create visually captivating rooms using a mix of old and new. Whether through affordable art, vintage finds, or embracing Indigenous culture, every choice can enhance the soul and character of your home. We challenge conventional design norms, encouraging you to prioritize art and intention over budget for a truly magical space. Join us as we celebrate the beauty in creating spaces that not only look good but feel good too.
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Welcome to Design Anatomy, the interior design podcast hosted by friends and fellow designers. Me, brie Banfield.
Speaker 2:And me, Lauren Lee, with some amazing guest appearances along the way. We're here to break down everything from current trends to timeless style.
Speaker 1:With a shared passion for joyful, colour-filled and very lived-in spaces, we're excited to share our insights and inspiration with you. This episode is all about the anatomy of a room. Lauren Lee and I discuss how interior design transforms spaces, impacts our moods and lives, and really emphasise about personal connections and positive feelings.
Speaker 2:So good Bree. So we're exploring elements like nostalgia, personality, layering and materials, and along with those finishing touches like books and even records, and how to blend the old and the new.
Speaker 1:And we're going to highlight the role of things like pattern, texture, lighting so important natural materials art and that balance of high and low elements will explain how people can bring all this together in a space to bring its energy to life. Also, if you're loving what you're hearing, I'd love you to jump into the show notes. There's a link there. You can sign up for more information from me about my very soon to be released pre-selected furniture collections, and also trend information and then some courses that will be coming soon as well.
Speaker 2:Oh, good stuff. Brie, trend, information, love, that Love it. Everybody loves that.
Speaker 2:I know Just getting those insights before everyone else is so valuable and, if you wanted to, I can help you with your own home and make it the best it can be through my course. It's called the Style Studies Essentials and for any designers listening in there, jump into the Design Society. Talk about all sorts of things in there. We even talk about how to use AI for interior design. We talk about how to market your business and get your work published, along with fees, marketing all of the things and it's such a cool community and also don't forget that this episode.
Speaker 2:you can see it. Oh, thanks, brie, so cool to have you in there too. This episode you can find a more visual sort of experience on YouTube. So some of these images that we're talking about and spaces, you can kind of see them on there too. So we thought that might be a bit of fun for you. Yeah, it's an enhanced experience.
Speaker 1:let's say it is.
Speaker 2:We are visual people, so shall we jump in, brie? Yeah, let's get going. Welcome everyone. Today we are talking about a subject that we're probably both really passionate about and that is sharing with you the anatomy of a room and what makes a space feel amazing, because I really believe that interior design we're not saving lives, but we really are changing lives, and it really is. It continues to amaze me that the transformation of a client space, or even our own space like it, can really change the way that you feel, and I really want to share with you some ideas on what you can do in your own home just to make it the best it can be. And I don't think that all of these things really cost a lot of money. Some of them do, some of them don't. Some of them you can like literally implement straight away. So, yeah, I'm really excited to kind of dive into this topic because I feel like it's a bit of a core of why we started this podcast. Would you say, brie?
Speaker 1:Yeah, the whole thing about how a space makes you feel and you know we're not saving lives, but I do think it's changing lives. I actually really believe in the power of a beautiful space or a space that evokes a particular feeling and in your own home obviously it's usually positive stuff and, to you know, come into that space at the end of the day or even in the morning, like go downstairs into a room or a kitchen or whatever, and feel that good energy or something positive is just like a great way to start or end your day or whatever it is. So, yeah, I'm a big believer in that whole that it does affect your life. Maybe it saves lives, I don't know. Maybe someone will tell us a story about that.
Speaker 2:I think we could probably dig up some scientific data. You know, you can always find it if you look for it.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I think that's a Well, look, you know, if you really want to stretch it, I think having a really great space and we're probably digressing slightly off the topic but can affect your mood and if you're someone who suffered from depression in the past and I know that my environment makes a difference so if you're, you know, struggling with things and you're also in like a space that doesn't make you feel good, it will make it worse.
Speaker 1:It's like even light for me, so like not having great sunlight spaces with good light, makes a really big difference to me with that stuff. So, yeah, anyway, it can be something that's. Yes, we're not brain surgery, like we're not curing cancer, but I think we can really make a difference and you can make a difference at home in your own space and we're going to, I guess, guess, make some points about what we think really improves the space, I guess.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, what makes the room?
Speaker 1:amazing exactly um.
Speaker 2:Firstly, I'm sorry that you have been in the past suffering depression like that's horrible, um, but I also Horrible, but I also Just part of life for me, yeah, okay. But thank you, and it is. You know, I think you and I, and maybe a lot of our listeners as well, you know we are very in tune with our environment. Yeah, and it can really impact us in a way that's real, definitely.
Speaker 1:I think so. Maybe, not everyone, but yeah, definitely I think creative people probably in particular too, maybe as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, true.
Speaker 1:People who have a lot of empathy, I think as well, are affected by their environments.
Speaker 2:People who sense mood.
Speaker 1:Yes, so, like it's intuitive people or you know that places have an energy. I'm getting a little bit woo-woo, but they have an energy.
Speaker 2:right, you can walk into a space and it has an energy. Yeah, they definitely do. Last year my mum broke her ankle so off we went into the ambulance to the hospital.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I waited in the little room off to the side of the emergency room where you know people wait while their loved one is having the worst day of their life, basically, and the energy in that room was disgusting yeah.
Speaker 1:Most hospitals are.
Speaker 2:I find Well, that's right.
Speaker 1:I'm not a fan.
Speaker 2:I think that's like, if we're talking about what makes a space feel amazing, it's probably good just to say well, this is the opposite of that. You know, hospitals are supposed to heal you, and I looked around the most drab room with zero natural daylight, zero thought to aesthetics or comfort or comfort. There was some sort of you know grey vinyl sofa and some really something hanging on the wall. I don't know if you could even call it art, but I just thought, oh my God, get me out of this room. I can't even begin to imagine what has gone on in this room. So when you're talking about you know it's being a woo-woo. There's definitely something in that.
Speaker 2:And it reminds me as well. When I started my first job with an interior decorator, we drove out to this house and it had such a bad vibe in there. I think I've told you about it before. Oh yeah, there's just sometimes. I remember and she picked up on it the lady I worked with, I picked up on it but I didn't even know I had. I just knew I didn't want to spend time in there. So there's definitely an energy in a space that doesn't feel good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and on the flip side of that it's another topic that we talk about on another episode, which was the genius Lockie of a space, the spirit of a place. I think that is part of that as well, but we'll talk about it another time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I think it's so important to the work that we do and you know, a space can feel really bad, but sometimes the space can just feel amazing and I don't know, have you got any memories of um in your childhood, of being in a space where you were like I really like it here?
Speaker 1:oh, that's a really good point. I think that I have, I guess, nostalgic memories that are probably more based around the things that happened in those spaces, imprints on you a little bit when you're younger. So if you, uh, let's say, you know you have a beautiful blue living room when you're growing up and maybe it's not even beautiful, it's just blue but you have great memories there and, um, you know, you spend time with the people you love you probably always have a bit of a feeling when you have blue around you, like you probably connect that back. So, um, I don't, none of the spaces I grew up in were particularly amazing in terms of decor or decoration, or in fact, I would say they were probably the opposite.
Speaker 1:They were pretty daggy, but I mean, actually, you know what? Probably okay, this is the room that probably sticks with me the most. It's my Nana's dining room, but it was the kitchen as well. You know that style in the 50s where the kitchen's sort of around the outside and then there's the dining room table and she had one of those classic chrome and that beautiful kind of red laminate, the flecky red one.
Speaker 1:I'm picturing it, yeah, in the middle of that, yeah, and you know, like Christmas and we would.
Speaker 2:That's where dinner would be. It would be in the middle of the kitchen.
Speaker 1:So that room for me probably, and it had colour, it wasn't. It did have colour. So I wonder if that's kind of and even the photos I can think of you know of those times and events.
Speaker 1:They weren't drab, there was colour and it was kind of a bit celebratory, I suppose, because a lot of those events were, you know, christmas and birthdays and all that sort of stuff. So that room probably has had a big um, I guess imprint on me and then my own bedroom, because I actually used to do a lot of stuff in it when I was growing up and I had to have color, much to my dad's dismay, I think. You know, like um, here's a nice timber bookcase. Okay, can we paint it? Yeah, why do?
Speaker 2:we need to paint it. I love it. Well, I remember, you know, when I was in prep I had a friend and I still know her now, her name's Tori and all of my friends' houses I went to like I just remember them so much because it was so exciting just going to and again, I think it begins that fascination with how do these people live, and I remember, yeah, um, so I grew up in mount eliza, which is a um down on the mornington peninsula, and it was like a really cool 1970s house.
Speaker 2:It had all timber cladding on the inside, but when you walk, walk through the front door it was kind of like a mudroom and they had like surfboards and stuff there, and so then you'd come into this big open kitchen area and her parents were from America so they would have, you know, peanut butter and jello and it was just so exciting as a five or six year old going to her house and then they had guitars hanging up on the wall and I'd probably take a guess to say they still are like that, and I think that's the thing. Their space said so much about them as people. The character.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just always been imprinted. I could just draw you the floor plan and then, yeah, other friends' houses.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I think that just had you know, she had these really cool older sisters, because, I mean, older sisters are just always so cool. You and me are older sisters, so we get it Exactly. But yeah, just a good vibe, beautiful family, and it had a good feeling. And I remember, you know, my mum chatting to her mum and it was just really nice. And I remember, because Tori and I broke up when we were in grade one oh no, I know, could you imagine? We were like six years old, so I must have been really little when I went to her house.
Speaker 1:But yeah, that was just you know one memory that's quite young too to remember that right.
Speaker 2:It feels yeah, that's always felt amazing, and I think that you know it's probably not normal, for you know, I remember the materials, I remember the layout, I remember so many things about the houses that I would, you know, go to, you know, friends' houses. It started that kind of fascination. But I suppose the thing is you, you know, when we're talking about a space that feels amazing, how do we define amazing? And I think that's different for a lot of people. So how would you?
Speaker 1:definitely would be. Yeah, I guess you know if I'm going to be technical about it. It's literally that moment where you kind of go wow, oh like, and you have that. You walk into a space and you have an immediate kind of feeling, I guess, or effect, so I don't know, gosh, that could be so many things for me, but I do think it's probably different for everyone because it's so subjective.
Speaker 1:I feel like decoration and interior design is a bit like art. Everyone's going to kind of be drawn to something different. Amazing for me would definitely be colour combinations, sure, and then just the overall depth of a room. So it could be that materials, it could be the layout of the space, it could be the joinery, but I'm way more amazed or I'm going to be more amazed by a space that has a bit more going on than just like a square room with, you know, some stuff put in it, um, yeah, so kind of that's what I mean by depth, like just something else, so, or something a little bit different. So I love not everyone loves, but I love quirky, unexpected things.
Speaker 1:So if there's something there that's like what, I wouldn't have thought of that, or I go, that's so cool, like that. One thing might be the thing that just kind of pushes it over the line for me.
Speaker 2:I love that I don't know about you like, what's your amazing? Well, I mean similar. I think an amazing room for me is a space that reflects somebody's personality. So those unexpected things, like you know, as I mentioned, as a kid, you know visiting this house and seeing electric guitars hanging on this. You know wood paneled wall that had a really pitched, high pitch. Kid, you know visiting this house and seeing electric guitars hanging on this. You know wood paneled wall that had a really pitched, high pitched ceiling and you know a mezzanine Sunken rooms.
Speaker 1:It had a sunken lounge. Yep had a sunken lounge and pitched ceilings, yep. Or clear story windows, oh God, you'll have me hello on those ones, yep. Yeah, it was like that. Hanging me a hello on those ones.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so even you know, hanging a guitar on the wall, like that's just not normal art. But it's different. I love weird furniture, I love weird chairs, so sometimes it's like even something that's a bit ugly. I'm like, oh, that's cool. Like it doesn't always have to be every single thing is an iconic, beautiful piece.
Speaker 1:I feel like if it's ugly, it usually has a story too, so like it's more fascinating, you go like, look, that's not the best looking thing, but why is it here? Yeah, exactly, and then there's usually some reason why yes.
Speaker 2:I think that's that thing that is hard to define, that does give a room a certain magic Like that shouldn't be here.
Speaker 1:But next to that's so worked because it's like it creates a tension or something that you've never seen before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I think it is hard to pin down, but I I love something weird that says something about the people that live there. I think books are definitely something that make a room feel amazing. That's big for me too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that also comes back to, I don't know, soulful spaces. Let's say yeah, have meaning to them, and books often bring that. Like I mean not all books, some books are just pretty and decoration, but most of the time if you walk into a space and it has books, there's a reason those particular books are there. So it might be the subject, it might be the cover, but that sometimes is a reason you love a book, or it's a collection of you know, amazing novels that that person's read or that family has read or the people that you know live in the space. So that's adding soul and character. And books, I think, are a huge part of that, and I guess you know probably not as much now, but even records would have been a big thing for me. Like what's your record collection? Like, what music are you listening to?
Speaker 2:I think those things add a lot of personality to a space yeah, I mean, just try to resist flipping through a whole stack of records like so.
Speaker 1:I can. I can actually spend a long time just in vinyl stores and walk out. They probably hate me because I usually walk out without buying anything, because at the moment I don't have a tent. I'm sure not the only one. I just can't resist. But I would sit there and just like flick through and like, yeah anyway.
Speaker 2:So nostalgic, like, yeah, anyway, so nostalgic. But then I think you know with records that you know you see all of um. Any uh popular artist today, you know, releases records, so it's coming back, isn't it? Yeah? Uh, hugely, yeah, yeah I think again a book.
Speaker 1:You know books just tell you about the people that live there, so it's just really fascinating yeah I actually um, uh, I won't name any names but if they're listening to this they'll know who I'm talking about. But I had a story from a friend who, um, was working on a shoot at someone's house and they like knew the person normally it's a location, you don't know them and she said there was two books in the house and the books were I won't say what the books are, just so nobody can recognize it but like they were just like kind of just really bad books. And my friend was like I just think it says so much about a person sort of lack of I don't know depth and character when you have, when you don't own any books yeah, I mean sorry to the people that don't, but I don't know how you can not own.
Speaker 2:Well, I think a lot of people would also say I read a book. I might buy a book, I might read it and I give it away because I've already read it.
Speaker 1:Or they borrow books from the library, but then you would have some right. There'd be some in the house, I agree. I'm just trying to think about that. You might have a bookshelf full of them.
Speaker 2:Exactly, or I get that, there's Kindle.
Speaker 1:Oh, I have a lot of stuff. I still do that too, but there's some books I'll always buy. Like I listen to probably audio a lot now, but I often still buy the book because I want to have the book. Like I don't know I'm a bit sentimental about it, and sometimes I'll read as well, and then I'll flip back to the audio book, like I like to have both.
Speaker 2:I've got a few both as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, books that you just want to quickly flip to and refer. Maybe this person had a whole heap of audio books that we just don't know about. Let's just give the grain of salt. Give them the benefit Benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 2:Well, where I live, there is a huge bookcase there's actually sort of two and I mean I've got a few books and I've got stacks of magazines. But the lady that lived here, rosemary, it was packed with books and I've just got decorative objects on the shelf.
Speaker 1:We have to have a mix, although a great room that's dedicated to that In a dream house for me, I would have kind of like a reading room, right maybe, where you just go and sit. There's no digital devices, it's just shelves of books, of all kinds. Love it and you can just like even just soak up a book for a little while and have great lighting and just I don't know. That would be amazing to have.
Speaker 2:That would be a dream, I think A dream that would be amazing. Another thing I think that does make a room amazing is when things are coordinated but not matching.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you've got to be careful right, there's a fine line there, I think, between things all working together and things being almost like they all came out of exactly the same collection, kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because of danger.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think you want to have a dining table and chairs with a matching buffet all in the same timber.
Speaker 1:Yes, even you know, like when you can buy, I guess, a set of dining chairs and table that match. I can't, I could never do that. There's something about that that just really bothers me and almost the same. I know you can buy great vintage ones, but I'd still break them up, I still wouldn't keep them together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, true, break them up. Or a bed with matching bedsides? Oh no, yeah, don't keep them together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, true, break them up. Or a bed with matching bedsides, oh no yeah. Don't do that either Just reeks of, I don't know, parents and grandparents. I guess that's probably what yeah? Particularly grandparents. They probably bought sets like that. Yeah, you see that even when they're reselling vintage sort of 50s, 60s, those sets kind of go together. Yeah, no, I couldn't do that either. I'd have to mismatch.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah, I think that's a thing. It looks so contrived.
Speaker 1:You've just seen a picture in a catalogue.
Speaker 2:It's sort of a bit lazy yeah yeah, yeah, if I can say that no imagination. But then I shouldn't say that because I guess sometimes very you don't have, you're not really that concerned about it.
Speaker 1:it's very easy to do that doesn't mean it's that you, that you're lazy. It just means that, um, it's, it's harder to try and go. Oh well, what would I do otherwise? And that they're offering this and it looks good to me, kind of thing. So I totally get why it happens. But if we're going to talk about what makes a room amazing, that's not it right, that's not it, it's not part of what makes it so yeah, it's about coordinating.
Speaker 2:So again, it doesn't even have to be matching in the terms of timber tones, like I was just talking to a client, the other day and we're trying to figure out the floor, the stone, the table and trying to make it harmonious, but not everything matching it and you need to break it up sometimes.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. I think it's actually really tricky when you've got and let's face it, probably most homes now have a timber floor, um, and then most homes probably have at least a timber side table, they might have a veneer on joinery or their kitchen, and I think it's a really easy mistake to make to think that they all need to kind of be as close as possible together and actually that makes it worse. I think you're way better to have um contrasting timber tones that still all work together beautifully when you kind of, you know, have them all side by side but trying to match them you'll never match them, so they'll always just look a bit off and not quite right, and then you, the effect is just not what you think it's going to be, I think true.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sometimes it's easy to say, okay, these are two pieces of furniture, they're the same timber, but why don't we go for a contrast? Because if that's being made by them and that's being made by them, you put them together and it looks like yes, you try to match it but miss.
Speaker 1:It's better just to contrast it instead. And I think the same thing sometimes with metallics.
Speaker 2:I know that some people really feel quite fixated on making sure that every metallic you know door handle, from the tapware, from the light fitting they all need to be the same. But when you read a space you don't read it like that.
Speaker 1:It doesn't have to be all the same. I actually kind of think too, even if you say, if you decide, your accents are warm, like your metallic accents are warm, and let's say they're brass, I still think it's also good that the brasses don't all look exactly the same, because there's sort of a cheapness about that or something. It's better if, like one's brush and what, the other one might be slightly shinier or a little bit warmer than that one. Like I think it's nicer if they're not all perfectly matched. The metallics.
Speaker 2:I think it looks like it's too much of a catalog. Is that what? It is yeah curated it looks doesn't look. Curated it looks too much. Is that what it is?
Speaker 1:And maybe too new, like we don't want everything to look even if you're doing a space and everything is new, you kind of want it to also feel like it just came together like that over time, and not, yeah, straight from a showroom, like you didn't just kind of pick it up and go that looks great, here we go. Put it here Like it has a bit more thought to it. That curation is a good word, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think. But yeah, that's such a good point. The key for a room to look amazing is it has to have something old in it yes whether it's a vintage piece, an antique, some weird piece of art, um, an old armchair, an old vintage light fitting, or just something with at that age that I guess, as you said beautifully before, something that has a soul to it, that makes a room sing, I feel so yeah, add something old and I guess, on the topic of metallics as well, add a metallic.
Speaker 2:There has to be something that just kind of catches your eye in a room. So whether it be, you know again, a lamp with a metallic base or a light fitting, or a object, a sculpture, even a glass, can kind of give you that shine as well, like you just need something that's the important thing, isn't it?
Speaker 1:it's, um, it's the materiality. If everything feels like it's. You know, actually there's probably two ways that can go, because I was about to say something which I actually think would probably look quite good. So, if everything is exactly the same, so say, you had an amazing room full of great colors, that was, everything was like a lacquered finish or like a block color finish and there was no pattern um, it could actually be amazing because it's like en masse. Yeah, what generally makes a room feel curated and and special is mixing materials and not having too much of the same thing. If every furniture piece is timber, it's sort of lacking. You need glass, you need a metallic, you need some fabric, you need texture. Yeah, yeah, so, bringing in different materials in your furniture. Maybe your coffee table has a tiled top, for instance, or you've got, you know, a metal accent on the leg of a chair. I think all of those little things come together to make a room feel, I don't know much more layered and interesting.
Speaker 1:So it's interest too, I think I would say makes something amazing. It's like what we were saying before, with character of books or things that are from you know, collections of things from people's past. It's interest, it's sort of like wanting to know more about something in the space. So you don't just kind of like walk in, take it in and go, oh that's pretty and you can walk back out. You actually want to spend time there and you want to know more about it. I think that's also part of what makes a space amazing.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love that and I love creating, yeah, like little moments, little pockets. So, you know, you've got your living area and it doesn't even I feel like it's not a space thing as much, it's just a layering. So you might have a compact living area but you've got an armchair next to a lamp with some artwork above it. That's a little moment and then you've got, you know, your sofa.
Speaker 1:Hold on like this. Sorry, if you can see the visual, it's exactly like your, exactly.
Speaker 2:I was so inspired by just looking at your little moment there.
Speaker 1:No, no, sorry to interrupt, it's exactly that I get it 100% yeah yeah, it's that, it's the collections of things that kind of work together as vignettes, I suppose, is the classic word for it, isn't it? These little vignettes that you can create within the larger space of a room. So there should be moments to discover in a space.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you don't want to clock it just in one glance. You know, definitely, creating those little moments is like really that makes a space amazing. I feel Creating those little moments is like really that makes the space amazing. I feel, and I think that at least one element of pattern and I think people are a bit scared of pattern, but trust me when people say that, but I really think, trust me.
Speaker 1:but one, I've got a diagonal stripe cushion, and it just is yes, I love that cushion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just so. No, no jokes, I know.
Speaker 1:I love it too. Well, I'm a bit of a stripe freak. You are a stripe freak, yeah, I am, but I do love that cushion in your space. You need it. It does lift it. If that wasn't there, I mean it's still. I mean you happen to have a very soulful room, even though almost without putting anything in it, Exactly.
Speaker 1:The architecture is amazing. So you've got that. I have to work a bit harder here because the architecture is just super, super basic. But yeah, just having that one thing to lift a space, I guess it's like something about catching it with your eyes on it.
Speaker 2:And I think you know it's pattern. It's a diagonal stripe. I mean, we're talking really specifically about one cushion here.
Speaker 1:Go and buy this cushion. Actually, we'll just put it online and sell it.
Speaker 2:I think I saw some at Country Road that are similar, because I think the one I've got is now discontinued. But yeah, it's a diagonal stripe. It just draws your eye in a different way. It's kind of dynamic and I'm not talking about?
Speaker 1:Yes, dynamic is the word I was thinking of.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I get it. You get a bit scared of thinking about pattern. But in one little cushion, or maybe it's in the floor rug or it's, you know, in a Even through art, true.
Speaker 1:If you're scared of pattern on a cushion, even art can I mean. It's a different kind of pattern, potentially, but like that also brings, I guess, contrast and it's a type of pattern isn't it Movement, yeah?
Speaker 1:it depends. Movement, yeah, yeah, yeah, contrast and yeah, it's a type of pattern, isn't it? Movement? Yeah, it depends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I it's funny I was thinking about, um, the whole pattern thing, and I love pattern. Um, I also love a block color and I was trying to think. I was thinking okay, so if you had no pattern in a room, I think you can pull it off, but everything would have to be very graphic and bold so that almost the pieces in the room created pattern because they were contrasting against, like you know, say, if you had like for want of a better description of colours, a black wall with white blocks of furniture or something. So it's like I think it's about creating contrast and that dynamic feeling and you can do it. I think, obviously, it's kind of a lot more thought's got to go into something that's just block colour and creating pattern. It would be much easier to go and buy your favourite cushion and add it to your sofa. True, it's just easy.
Speaker 2:You know the key and you're sort of talking about scale as well, you know, and the mixing of pattern, you know, as a tight stripe on a cushion, you know you can really contrast that with a huge, big pattern of a rug, which is big block, you know more blocky. So I think the key is, you know you could have a really tight pattern of a wallpaper and then you're contrasting that with a, and I think you know we've talked to or this episode is before or after Nicole, nicole, it's coming up, or you've just listened to it. Nicole of Atelier ND Go find it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the way she uses pattern. It's just so exciting because she uses beautiful huge pattern repeats on drapery, these amazing Pierre Frey fabrics, and then she'll have a tight stripe with it. You know, it's just that confidence to coordinate it, but it absolutely makes a room feel amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that you know if you're struggling confidence-wise, but you're listening to this and going okay, I feel like I don't have any pattern. I think it's a matter of just picking some basic stuff like cushions are probably the best example and just giving it a go and just seeing how it feels, just buy a couple.
Speaker 1:You know you can buy a couple and if they don't work you can just go change them. Like it's kind of like a no-risk investment to do that and I think when you do it you'll get a little bit more confident to maybe add something else. It's like adding colour, you know do a little bit, and then you can kind of get the confidence to do a little more.
Speaker 1:And then you'll be obsessed like us in no time. Exactly, I love how we've got a little note here about natural materials. I do think that that's really interesting because I think that it would almost be hard not to have. Do you think it's tricky not to have natural materials? I guess if you've got no timber and all your fabrics were, like you know, polyester or something, well, I think nylon. Yeah, and then you had metal and glasses. Glasses are natural material really, or are we saying it has to come straight from nature, like timber?
Speaker 2:well, I think this is really important as well, because you know you could say I've got a timber floor, but actually it's a vinyl. It's not real timber, yes. So I feel like you could definitely have a room with no natural materials. You could have a porcelain tile floor, you could have a laminate kitchen and a man-made stone bench, and that's your main living areas and white plasterboard walls, and already that doesn't paint a very lovely picture to me at all.
Speaker 1:I feel like you do need some natural material in there, don't you?
Speaker 2:If we're talking about hospitals, what are they lacking?
Speaker 1:Natural materials. There are no natural materials. Oh, that's so true.
Speaker 1:And in schools and in offices and those spaces you're not getting a lot of natural material, you know it's so I feel like schools have really improved Not every school, but I think design of school has had some fantastic design where they're managing to kind of make it feel more homely is probably a good word, and I would say it's because of colour and material. But hospitals I've yet to see anything. Please send me something if you've got any in mind. Actual hospitals, I think clinics and things are potentially come a long way, but hospitals, yeah, to create the right mood. I reckon that's a massive challenge because everything has to be so functional what is it?
Speaker 2:hygienic yeah, like sanitary yeah it's sanitary and aesthetic is not on that list. But really, but really, a hospital is a space to heal, I mean in all different levels. So why is aesthetics all the way down that bottom of the list? I?
Speaker 1:mean.
Speaker 2:I think the Children's Hospital in Melbourne, the Royal Children's Hospital, is an outstanding example of a hospital that will heal you I don't know in more ways than just traditional medicine, because, um, thankfully, I've never had to go there, but, um you know, it's got a huge aquarium, it's got animals and they're trying to bring nature into it right, exactly, and I remember, you know, back probably 15, 20 years ago.
Speaker 2:It won so many awards and a lot of interior designers were working on that project and how amazing to be part of such a special project like that. So but yes, I suppose back to natural materials. You know, if you think about what, if you're choosing between a timber floor versus a vinyl that looks like timber, I mean, there is a place for that. But I think it's really trying to appreciate the beauty of a natural wood and it's not perfect and it's going to change over time. A vinyl will be exactly the same over time and it's a lot more hard wearing, not a lot more.
Speaker 2:It is a bit more hard wearing it a lot more. It is a bit more hard wearing, but it wears differently, you'd say, right, yeah, it's exactly what you said.
Speaker 1:A tinct floor is actually really hard wearing but it'll change over time it will. It will wear in a way that it um a bit like natural stone, that it can actually become more beautiful over time. But those first moments where you get a mark and a scratch are kind of a bit painful. But as that floor ages, its age is part of its beauty. I think if you're talking about a solid timber natural floor, these days I think they're kind of pretty rare because I think they're also just really expensive. They're kind of pretty rare because I think they're also just really expensive. So they put the out of a lot of people's price brackets to have a proper solid timber floor and it's way more common now to have. If it's real timber, it's still only a veneer, so that's trickier because it's still it doesn't have the same life as a solid floor, because you can't. I guess it wears, but I think it doesn't wear as well in terms of a beauty, in terms of kind of like getting nicer as it gets older.
Speaker 1:So, then people go okay, well, do we opt for because we're starting a flooring episode.
Speaker 2:I know I'm thinking of all the things. That is a fantastic story Because I guess you know when you go into?
Speaker 1:yeah, we should, we should actually talk about it. But, um, when you go into, if you, if you're someone going in to purchase a floor, um, and you're looking at budget versus how it looks and how it performs, I think that's why so many people opt for maybe not necessarily vinyl, but, like you know, the ones that can be in wet areas and, um, what do they call a hybrid floor? Okay, yeah, like a vinyl timber hybrid, I think they call it so I don't know.
Speaker 2:I need to get more details lots of options, but, yeah, I think, yeah, talking about you know natural materials for and it could be. You know, you touched on stone then and it's it's really an education piece. Maybe that could be another topic you know we could talk about natural materials. Um, it's how we live, you know. It comes back to how you live and what you will. What's your tolerance on that? But there's just nothing as beautiful as a natural stone.
Speaker 1:I don't care what you tell me you know.
Speaker 2:There are beautiful examples of a porcelain, you know, like a Dekton, or I think Artidomus do one as well and it's in their showroom. It's stunning, it's just not real stone.
Speaker 1:The porcelains yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the porcelains, they're amazing. Yeah, but I think a room with natural materials, you know, wool carpets or linen drapery, it's….
Speaker 1:It's something to do with how it looks. I think when you mimic, say like you mimic stone and you can mimic timber, and they're getting so good at it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But something about us knows it's not real, like it's. There's no way you could say like. I think these days you'd go like you used to be able to tell because you could see the pattern or it was the sheen or whatever it was. I think they've gotten very good at that, but there's still something not right about it. Sometimes that's how it feels. You know, you're so right Just visually it's still not the same and I don't know how you'd even put a point out.
Speaker 2:I was going to say you're so right about that, it is so hard to tell. I went to the Labman X showroom. I go there almost once a week. I have client meetings there and everything and they're really helpful in there. But they have a timber finish and it's called the chalk. Well, they've got lots of timber patterns but the finish is called chalk and it is so realistic. So I feel like if you were doing a kitchen. There's a really cool one. They've released a few different australian timber laminates and that's right.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, there's a beautiful walnut.
Speaker 2:There's a jarrah, um, and that chalk finish. It just feels incredibly real.
Speaker 1:I feel like if there was a kitchen done in that, I would still say it's, but it's a room with natural materials, um, you're still getting yeah okay but it's obviously a lower price and I feel like, and I think if we're able to say that, then the average consumer is not going to pick up on it probably at all, like for me with laminate or with uh, even sometimes with the veneer. I guess it all comes down to how well the joins are done. You know, like all those little, that's the tiniest details that that give it away. But when you have um, you know the technology they have now where you can't see any kind of pattern repeat because it's such a large um it's like a photo reel situation and then they get that beautiful finish right like that chalk finish um, yeah it's very tricky to say that.
Speaker 2:That's, I guess, I don't know I would say just have a real plant in there then yeah, you're getting the benefits of it, of a room I wonder, wouldn't it be fascinating to know?
Speaker 1:I mean, you have looked at how um some stats on how you know, like natural materials or timber and things make a room feel amazing because it actually changes your um, it's like spending time in nature can can actually heal you, like in a scientific way, not just in a way. So I wonder how. I wonder if we get to a point, or if we're at a point where something like that, when the laminate is so good it looks like the real thing. Are we tricked? Do we still get the benefit of thinking we've got timber?
Speaker 2:around us? I think you do. I mean, it depends on, yeah, as you say, the quality of that. But I feel like with those Lamin-X ones, you really are getting the benefit of it being a natural material, even though it's not. And you know what I have a feeling.
Speaker 1:I think we are tricked. I could be really wrong. I must look it up properly. But I think you can even just have a beautiful image of nature in your room and it will still improve your well-being, so maybe we can be tricked by finishes that look very natural.
Speaker 2:Well, I think that's true in terms of, yeah, kitchen cabinetry wall paneling, but I think it's when it is a coffee table that you're very close to touching and you see that end grain, you see the top of the the piece of wood. Yes, there's something that you cannot fake about that beautiful that solid timber solid nature. Yeah, so I think it depends. Sometimes you can fake it and sometimes you can't.
Speaker 1:So yeah, but I think that, to me, is the thing with the porcelain too, is, um, I actually actually really like the feel of a lot of the porcelain. You know how it's not as cold as stone, and so when you touch it you can usually tell whether it's stone or not. It's usually the feel that gives it away I actually don't mind that it's yeah, well but um yeah, the one in the artidoma showroom.
Speaker 2:And again, it's all about how they finished it. They finished it with a steel edging and it just looks so real. It's beautiful yeah um, so I think you'll still be getting the effect of a natural material. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, we'll accept that.
Speaker 2:We'll accept that, we'll take that. What about no?
Speaker 1:cheap imitations though, like the crappy ones. Well, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I think you've got to find the right ones. I think, yeah. I think another thing that makes a room amazing is lighting.
Speaker 1:Oh, 100%. In fact, I would even go as far to say you could have an amazing room that doesn't feel amazing anymore because the lighting's bad.
Speaker 2:Yes, I mean, you could probably have a lot of the things on the list that we've just been talking about, but if you don't, have the right lighting, it can fall flat, can't it?
Speaker 1:Put fluorescence in there and it's gone like and isn't that just so crazy?
Speaker 2:because imagine the time and investment you could, you know, spend on a room, and then lighting is an afterthought and and I think this happens oh, definitely people go, people who don't think too much about lighting and just do what's expected, the norm, which is down lights right in a new house. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, and kill a room completely by just having that, and they've just spent all of this money and then in the evening they're not enjoying it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I think the key is to have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that, um, that architectural lighting. You know it is strategically placed down lights. Who cares if they're not in a grid? It's about what you want to light, and then it's mixing that with the more atmospheric lighting. So it's that layer of the, the task lighting plus the ambient lighting and little spots of light in the room, like my mum. She's got seven lamps in her lounge room and we still need more. I love your mum. She's so obsessed. Yeah, she's like.
Speaker 1:I think I need another one. I do love a lamp, but I do not have seven.
Speaker 2:She's obsessed.
Speaker 1:I want to know how that works. I need a little more explanation on the seven. Where are they?
Speaker 2:Okay so she's got a next to the sofa. She's got like a. It's one of those menu travertine labs, the reverse lab. Oh yeah, I love those. She's got one of those menu travertine labs, the reverse lab.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I love those. She's got one of those.
Speaker 2:What else has she got? She's got the carry labs. Well, it's Bordeaux now, but it's not menu.
Speaker 1:We've given her like, so many of those little portable labs.
Speaker 2:She's got so many I do love the portable ones. Yeah, she loves them, she's got one in every room.
Speaker 1:She does she. She doesn't have any other lighting. She just walks around with that from room to room, puts one down, picks another one up what else has she got?
Speaker 2:she's got standard lamp. She's got um a lamp with a glass base. I know she's got one like she's literally got a lot of them. I mean I've got a lot too, but she really she's just obsessed, and I guess we're now all obsessed.
Speaker 1:So yeah, no, I'm with you there, I've got. I thought that. I had too many, um, and I don't even have that many, so, like I've got, in my living room we've got the that Sabine, marcellus or white, you know the donut orange donut, which I love.
Speaker 2:Yeah, mum's got that.
Speaker 1:Of course she does and then I've got, um, I just bought a new Kip and Co big wicker striped, which I love because it's really oversized, it's like a big impact. And then I've got my favorite little hay, the little red one, little portable one cool, I did that, which is a weird thing to do, but you turn it on. I'm doing weird things with my fingers, people that could go different ways, but anyway, okay, change subject. Um, yeah, no, but I I just think people don't realize how much of a difference lighting can make in a space and, and it also, like, goes back to creating little moments, like we were talking about, creating like little vignettes, like the lighting can just do that all on its own create little moments or highlight um little spaces in a room which I I just love that yeah and they look great when they're not on Like they're another shape or material.
Speaker 1:If they've got fabric or, like you said, a glass base or even a glass, I've got. You know, I've just got like that white West Elm glass mushroom. You know the. I just love that. I don't know why. I just love that from the start. I like the shape.
Speaker 2:Well, and that's the thing, you don't have to spend a lot of money on lighting. Like, get yourself to Ikea and see what they've got. Go to West Elm, I think they have great lighting there. Where else would I recommend Design stuff, you know, for all those portable lights?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to say, design stuff Top 3 by Design and they're online so you can jump on anywhere and look at their stuff. And then you know beautiful ceramic. There's a few great ceramicists who make beautiful lamps as well, if you want something a little bit different too, yeah our friend Herman Blue.
Speaker 2:I think that's a good one. Jan Vogelpohl oh, Jan Vogelpohl. Yeah, I know, I actually just put one of her lamps into a project.
Speaker 1:Oh, cool and they're like that's an art piece, really, Absolutely. It's like a sculpture that happens to turn on at night, you know. So getting the best of both worlds in that.
Speaker 2:My favourite is one that I bought a few years from a jar. It's by Santa and Cole and it's got this little timber frame and a roundish what do you call it? It's like an elongated sphere and it just glows.
Speaker 1:Yes, like a pill. I think it's called the.
Speaker 2:Susita or something. Yeah, it comes in this really cute little wooden kind of with a carry thing.
Speaker 1:Anyway, we put the link in the show notes Like a little page kind of thing, yeah, thing, anyway we put the link in the show, like a little page kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, another one, you mean, I just love it. So, um, yeah, lighting makes a room amazing. And then I suppose you know you've talked about art a bit, but I think art, every room needs some sort of art like I'm talking about even the bathroom and the kitchen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the entry the hallway all those in between spaces. I need to put some in there yes, it's just.
Speaker 2:We've just got a couple of prints in there.
Speaker 1:I think people forget how that you can just put it wherever you want, like there's no rules, I think so well, I think the thing is that we think it needs to go above the metal piece.
Speaker 2:It needs to be in that statement, you know. But think outside of that and hang it above a door hang it, you know, above your bedside table.
Speaker 1:On a door you know, yeah, yeah. I mean if you're slamming doors.
Speaker 2:I don't know how you live at home.
Speaker 1:I love art in the kitchen too. Yeah, I know Probably wouldn't be good here, but in a kitchen, I love art in a kitchen. I mean, that's been done for a long time now but like people still don't think about it. No, it doesn't even have to hang, it can just sit on the bench. Like against the, I have a couple of pieces in my kitchen because my kitchen's not very inspiring, so I feel like I need a little more in there. But like, yeah, yeah, why not? Why me?
Speaker 2:and again, it doesn't have to be an oil masterpiece like um the paper collect the paper collective poster club. You know those scandinavian?
Speaker 1:yeah, they're so fantastic, they're so such a huge, amazing range, yep beautiful and you're getting that beautiful impact.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's easy affordable, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I would say no, probably to IKEA art because, even though it is very affordable, every time I go in there and look at it it's just not quite right, I don't know what do you think? Have you ever had IKEA art, you know, like taking by the posters and put them in their frames?
Speaker 2:I managed to score some great Ikea art. I can't believe. I'm admitting that I'll have to take a photo and send it to you. It was probably about oh, my God.
Speaker 1:Like vintage stuff or no, like from a while back.
Speaker 2:Oh God, it probably is vintage now, I guess that's how old.
Speaker 1:That depends. I know when we say vintage we think 50s Vintage is like the 80s now, oh no 90s.
Speaker 2:Phil and I, we lived in a little apartment in South Yarra for 10 years and I probably bought them in 2004, 2005. And they are sort of abstract. They're like a mustard burgundy kind of coloured stripes and they came with their own oak frame they came framed and they just look really impactful. I don't have them hanging up.
Speaker 1:I think they're just in storage. Maybe it's just every time I've looked they haven't had the right stuff.
Speaker 2:Well, I think you see the same one, you see the Audrey Hepburn thing, and the black and white that's super tacky and the skyline thing like you see the same things over and over. But they do sometimes kids stuff. Well, they do sometimes collaborations.
Speaker 2:I know I've showed clients yeah, kids rooms, a kid's room, sorry, short, um short. Well, not technically limited edition, but they just do one run of them and that's it. Yeah, okay, but you know what? Of course, it's just keeping it on your radar, isn't it? West Elm have been talking about that, and even I don't know if H&M have ever done something, but they have affordable artworks and I would really just encourage everybody just to go out there with an open mind and, if you like it, hang it up. I don't care what I think.
Speaker 2:I don't care what anyone thinks, but just don't have your walls bare Like that's the main thing Middle of Nowhere is another good, affordable.
Speaker 1:I think they do cute stuff Middle of Nowhere and you can get a lot of um prints these days, or even so, if you love an original artist, always sort of look into whether they do prints, because it doesn't always mean, you know, um on paper under glass. A lot of prints now are on canvas and they're stretched and I can tell you I've done it for jobs where you cannot, unless you go up to it closely and go oh, it's not actual. Like you know, textured paint they look like the real thing, so they're such a great option too if you're sort of looking for affordable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you love it, do it. Who cares like op shops.
Speaker 1:I love finding random art in op shops. Totally, that could be your old thing too, if you find or you know marketplace or wherever you're sort of looking at like your affordable vintage stuff, those things that no one else has got, that.
Speaker 2:Love that Because it's like, yeah, you know, mix that with your big box stores. And then you know it's about that mix, isn't it Exactly?
Speaker 1:Yes, it's about that, exactly. Yes, that's probably another good point actually in terms of um. Another thing that can make a room amazing is you can have all the money in the world and still have a crap room. You can spend lots of money on it if you know, especially if it is all really high-end stuff. Um, that doesn't really have a particular reason to be there other than it is a high-end piece. I agree.
Speaker 1:So you kind of. I think the best streams usually are made up of maybe not high-low, but like maybe high-mid or, you know, even really high and lower. I think the mix of things and the fact that those things have a reason to be there and when I say reason to be there, there's, you love it, or it was inherited, or you bought it because it was like this amazing thing that you fell in love with. I think when you mix those things together, it means so much more and it's far more interesting than just having a ton of money that you drop on all the best things and then just put them in a room.
Speaker 2:I don't know what do you think? Couldn't agree more, I mean. I think that a room like that that has all of those iconic, expensive things, is a lovely room and I wouldn't say no don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2:I know, as I was saying that, I'm like what am I saying? No, but I think no, you're absolutely. I agree with you 100%, because sometimes they can be a bit predictable and it is lacking that magic, it's lacking that soul, it's lacking that extra level of, you know, amazingness. So I think that's what we're trying to dig into here and you know talking about when I was writing the French book, the new French look, it was trying to. You know what is that thing that the French do so well? You know, it isn't always those predictable iconic pieces, it's just that interesting mix and that's what really draws me to that style. So, yeah, there's that, and they managed to capture it in the photography as well. So, you know, that's another thing. Who knows, sometimes those rooms that we see on line have maybe been stripped down. Yeah, all the quirky ugly things Guarantee that there's spaces.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think also there's spaces that have had things brought into them to to just finish a room off. That is almost an amazing room. I guess I'm saying like a good stylist, if you're shooting a space or even, just as you and I know the whole smoke and mirrors of a shoot moving something into a different spot so that it captures something that feels so amazing, but actually maybe the room's a little bit lacking. In real life that happens.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So yeah, don't believe everything. You see, I guess Do not believe it.
Speaker 2:And I guess you know what you're sort of getting to as well with that point of all those expensive things. I think a room can be amazing without the huge, huge budget. Absolutely yeah, and I almost think that sometimes the things that we choose to invest in should be flipped. So the things like we're told we need to invest in a sofa and a dining table and those big pieces which, yes, I mean in an ideal world it would be great, but sometimes you should get a really good sofa that's at a good price point. The things I really would love to invest in more is the art Art. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1:Like right on board, it's so predictable, right on board.
Speaker 2:No, no because.
Speaker 1:I'm exactly the same.
Speaker 2:You know, yeah, yeah, so it's just another way of looking at it.
Speaker 1:Actually, it's a really good point and I, um, I, I totally agree. But I hadn't really thought about ever saying to a client spend less on that sofa so that you can afford that art, because the art will feed your soul more than that sofa will. The sofa will still last probably a similar amount of time, if it's still a good quality, but you know mid-priced instead of high-priced but that artwork will be forever the great artwork that you really love.
Speaker 2:Make the room sing yeah. I don't know, I think that we're probably out on our own with that. Maybe let us know, write us a message. What do you think? Because I'm curious. That's something that sort of swirls around in my brain, but I've never really suggested that to a client because I think they would think I was crazy.
Speaker 1:I guess you could kind of throw in there too, though, that some furniture pieces are like works of art, right, but I think we're talking about, you know, your family sofa. It doesn't have to be crazy, crazy high, expensive, if your budget can kind of I like budgets to be flexible, so, like when I'm working with a client you know you need to have a budget, but I would never have like a fixed okay, 10 grand for this and it's two grand for this I'd go. Here's a bit of a loose idea, but the room is maybe this much so that you've got the option, when you're putting that room together, to be able to say, hey, that artwork that you really loved, if we just spent a little bit less here, we can still have it loved. If we just spent a little bit less here, we can still have it.
Speaker 2:So I guess it's that right, it's just working out the, the balance it is um you know, having said that, I went to mobilia the other day with a client. We've gone back this sofa. It's a new release by casino. It's by patricia urchiola and I've not stopped dreaming about how comfortable this sofa is. Oh my God. And the thing with this sofa is Zoe. Do you know Zoe at Mobilia? She's so amazing. She was telling me Patricia wanted to design this sofa that was at a more affordable price point. That's got all of this recycled materials and content in it.
Speaker 1:I love that yeah and it looks great.
Speaker 2:It just ticked all the boxes on my client. She looked so happy sitting on it. So, anyway, it's something to think about.
Speaker 1:So what is a more affordable sofa by Patricia, I know.
Speaker 2:Why are?
Speaker 1:we talking here? I mean, you know we, are we dropping reasonable amounts?
Speaker 2:I think the modular under 30 for a three by three meter modular a lot of sofa size.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there'll be a lot of people still falling over, but like it is a big investment for a casino sofa. When you sit in it, you can see the A new casino sofa. Yeah, yeah, amazing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1:Finally, the thing that makes a room amazing is the people, the people Of course, in the space, so that's where the energy comes from a lot of the time, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think so, and I don't know how you can kind of capture that.
Speaker 1:Well, it's funny like you know how you said told that story before about um going to a place where you just went. You just had bad vibes and you just wanted to leave. Sometimes you can have an amazing room that can be killed by the people, and I'm talking about that. Maybe there's just very unhappy. People don't have to be psychopaths. The unhappiness can create a bad vibe in a room, but maybe rooms also can make people happy.
Speaker 1:So maybe it's like a yeah, but I do think there's a. There's an energy right that comes from people, so amazing people can create amazing rooms just by having their beautiful selves in there and expressing themselves through their space.
Speaker 2:So you know don't be afraid to express your personality. What, how, how you want to unpack that you know. Ask yourself all of these questions, how you want to live and have that confidence to just you know whatever. I just have always dreamed about a pink kitchen. I've just always dreamed about it. I'm going to do it Like, please.
Speaker 1:What sort of pink are we talking?
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm just using an example.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, yeah all right? Oh sorry, I thought you were saying you dreamed of a pink kitchen, which?
Speaker 2:was shocking to me. Well, maybe I am actually now dreaming of a pink kitchen. That's why I went hang on.
Speaker 1:What sort of pink are we talking about?
Speaker 2:Yeah, if that's you like, do you? Yes, so true, yeah, whatever it is like just really dive in and have that confidence.
Speaker 1:It's actually Go for it A hundred percent. The the person right, because if you try and think about um, I guess a kind of good example, but maybe they're not amazing rooms so much is walking into a display home that nobody lives in, but it might have all the right ingredients but it doesn't have the touch of the person that lives there. So that's exactly what you're saying. Like you, you've got to put your mark on it for it to actually be amazing, because it won't be properly amazing until it has the things you love in it. I think.
Speaker 2:That is a really good example.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Amazing. I think we've given some really great points.
Speaker 2:I hope so, and I've digressed enough. Great, that was a good chat. Thanks, brie.
Speaker 1:No worries. Thanks, clara, and see you next time everyone bye.
Speaker 2:Such a fun episode, brie. I think this is almost like a bit of a master class in the way that we sort of see interior design anyway, and I hope that you guys listening enjoyed it too yeah, there's a lot to take away from that.
Speaker 1:I feel like people would be taking notes.
Speaker 2:Yes, note takers, that was me in the front row. You know so nerdy. But if you also would like some help with pulling together your dream home, I'm helping a bunch of beautiful people inside my course called the Style Studies Essentials. And for interior designers out there, I have got you. Come into the Design Society and we're helping you with working out your fees, working out your process and all of the fun things, not to mention the amazing guests we've had come in as well. You can access.
Speaker 1:We've had some great guests, but also I just love the community in there and everybody. That's the best part of it is. You're with like minded people, you can ask the questions and they're there for you. That's what I love.
Speaker 2:Totally, it's kind of rare and it's nice.
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